tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5492310882851199969.post6233542426817262130..comments2024-01-09T15:03:54.986-05:00Comments on Wolf Howling: GoProud, SoCons, The CPAC Boycott, & Homosexuality In ContextGWhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05814327154035433443noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5492310882851199969.post-52234520390729875502011-01-27T18:31:15.061-05:002011-01-27T18:31:15.061-05:00OBH - I was going to included the same argument in...OBH - I was going to included the same argument in my post above based on Matthew 9, but then decided against jumping into the biblical arguments. You have stated the argument better than I would have anyway. Thx for that. I concur in every word with your comment.GWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05814327154035433443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5492310882851199969.post-3744115705687768292011-01-27T18:24:21.857-05:002011-01-27T18:24:21.857-05:00John Doe:
I am a fiscal and social conservative -...John Doe:<br /><br />I am a fiscal and social conservative - and a defense hawk who spent years as a U.S. Infantry Officer. You don't know me and obviously don't follow this blog - so let me give you just 4 of my several thousand posts as examples - <br /><br />Fiscal - 2011 The State Of The Economy<br />http://wolfhowling.blogspot.com/2011/01/state-of-economy-headed-at-warp-speed.html<br /><br />Social - The War On Religion<br />http://wolfhowling.blogspot.com/2010/04/war-on-religion.html<br /><br />The Roots of Slavery & The Race Hustlers' Holy Grail<br />http://wolfhowling.blogspot.com/2011/01/state-of-economy-headed-at-warp-speed.html<br /><br />National Security At The End Of Obama's First Year <br />http://wolfhowling.blogspot.com/2010/01/verdict-on-national-security-after-one.html<br /><br />As to the charge that I am "gutless," that attempt to demonize me and delegitimize my position on this issue makes you no better than any of the worthless scum on the left that have spent four decades destroying this nation with the race card. And to the contrary, I am willing to stand and be counted, physically or intellectually, on everything I say or do.<br /><br />Ironically, I note that Smash Mouth, the blog that your name above links to, contains a post, http://maaadddog.wordpress.com/2010/12/29/oh-no-not-another-boycott-from-the-self-appointed-moarlity-wing-of-the-gop/ , that pretty much tracks with my own. So have you called Doug "gutless" yet. And if not, you sir, are one hypocritical bastard to come on my blog and accuse me of being gutless.<br /><br />As to whether to welcome in conservative gays to the conservative movement, I base my opinion on what I think is right, not on who I might piss off with my reasoning. Holding one's finger up to the political wind is to see what your position should be is, I think, the epitome of gutlessness. <br />http://wolfhowling.blogspot.com/2008/02/ann-coulter-rush-limbaugh-and-mccain.htmlGWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05814327154035433443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5492310882851199969.post-27345962894291558512011-01-27T17:06:49.922-05:002011-01-27T17:06:49.922-05:00> Sooooo, you wish to piss off the largest segm...> <i>Sooooo, you wish to piss off the largest segment of the conservative movement--social and fiscal conservatives--in order to appeal to the less than 1% of the population who are faggots out there and who are fiscally conservativive. Makes zero-ZERO-sense from a political standpoint.</i><br /><br />John, you presume too much upon your numbers, as do most Christian extremists. Thankfully, unlike Islamic extremists, you are a small and largely powerless group.<br /><br /><b>If God plans to smite them dead, then **God** -- <i>not you or I</i> -- will be the one who should and will do so.</b><br /><br />I plan to do what Jesus would do, and that is to do whatever God allows me the power to do to bring them to see the error of their ways. I cannot do that if I hurl invective at them and suggest to them, with a verbal frontal assault, that they cannot be Saved.<br /><br /><br />*I* certainly realize I don't know this, YOU certainly SHOULD realize you don't know this, and it is not now nor ever will be Your Place to judge them for their sins.<br /><br />Matthew 9:<br /><br /> <i> 9And as Jesus passed forth from thence, he saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he saith unto him, Follow me. And he arose, and followed him.<br /><br /> 10And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.<br /><br /> 11And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?<br /><br /> 12But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.<br /><br /> 13But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. </i><br /><br /><i>DO YOU UNDERSTAND?</i><br /><br /><b>DO YOU ***UNDERSTAND***?</b><br /><br />You <i>cannot</i> follow Jesus with hate, derision, or disdain for your fellow man. Not even "faggots". <br /><br />That is His message: You are NO BETTER THAN THEY.<br /><br />"All have sinned in the eyes of the Lord."<br /><br />Your goal, in Jesus' name, is not to reject them, to spurn them, nor to deride them. <br /><br />It is to make the case to them that They Do Wrong.<br /><br />And you cannot do that with a frontal assault. People who Do Wrong are most often defended by 2 inch armor plate in the front. They have all sorts of reasons for why it's not wrong. All manner of reason for why it is YOU who are wrong. <br /><br /><b>You must find a better way.</b><br /><br />God will provide you with that way, if you seek it.OBloodyHellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09992539380115488567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5492310882851199969.post-77956269876713800752011-01-27T15:37:14.995-05:002011-01-27T15:37:14.995-05:00Sooooo, you wish to piss off the largest segment o...Sooooo, you wish to piss off the largest segment of the conservative movement--social and fiscal conservatives--in order to appeal to the less than 1% of the population who are faggots out there and who are fiscally conservativive. Makes zero-ZERO-sense from a political standpoint.<br /><br /> Makes more sense that you are just gutless, and/or want to seem cool and hip. <br /><br />Or that you yourself are immoral and afraid to call a spade a spade. Homosexuality is immoral. It is no different than inviting those who practice bigamy or incest or beastiality or necrophilia to your "big tent."John Doehttp://maaadddog.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5492310882851199969.post-68004634629782609282011-01-27T12:29:22.233-05:002011-01-27T12:29:22.233-05:00Dave, you read more into those accounts in the Bib...Dave, you read more into those accounts in the Bible than I am prepared to agree with. As to the Rabbi, his contact information is provided in the post, he can answer for himself. <br /><br />As to Soddom and Gomorrah, it is far from clear that the crimes for which the city was destroyed was homosexuality. Indeed, that has long been a point of dispute among biblical scholars. Even accepting that the crimes for which S&G were destroyed were sexual in nature, what the townsfolk proposed was an act of rape. <br /><br />As to the tribe of Benjamin, in Judges 20, when asked to describe the crimes of the Benjamites, the accuser states "Me they attempted to kill, and my concubine they abused so that she died." There it is even less clear than in Gen. 19.<br /><br />My interpretation, to the extent that there is a clear similarity between the two events - and they both had nearly identical fact patterns - it is that the crime of rape or attempted rape occurred. Those are violent, sinful acts. To go beyond that and claim that homosexuality itself is what drew God's ire is, I think, a vast overreach.GWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05814327154035433443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5492310882851199969.post-54744297874386673402011-01-27T09:43:32.731-05:002011-01-27T09:43:32.731-05:00Is the Rabbi familiar with what happened to the Be...Is the Rabbi familiar with what happened to the Benjamites? How about Sodom and Gomorrah? <br /><br />God seems pretty intolerant of that behavior if his action are any indications. He Wiped out Sodom (where we get the word "Sodomy" from. He Wiped out Gomorrah (for unnatural sexual practices.) and the Tribes of Israel gathered together to wipe out the Benjamites. <br /><br />Yeah, God seems to regard homosexuality as a minor offense meriting a slap on the wrist with a side order of DEAD.RavingDavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07671059573191161552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5492310882851199969.post-45323947391895644042011-01-26T20:15:58.850-05:002011-01-26T20:15:58.850-05:00Great post, as usual. One particular item from the...Great post, as usual. One particular item from the rabbi's viewpoints that I found very interesting:<br />That colleges should institute a gentlemen's code of conduct negating the ever prevalent hook-up. <br /><br />Of course, this would be an impossible task if we as a society would wait until our kids are in college. We need to start much earlier, and teach our children to value themselves and each other again. That is the way forward.Ex-Dissidenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03837109472357860889noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5492310882851199969.post-29736825957653376372011-01-26T17:23:53.690-05:002011-01-26T17:23:53.690-05:00My views track mostly with your own. I have no pro...My views track mostly with your own. I have no problems with civil unions granting gays the rights to visitation and many of the other benefits of marriage. "Marriage" itself is a religious institution and does not belong in connection with homosexuality. I've never been in the military, but as I understand it, open homosexuality is harmful to unit cohesion, and DADT is a fair balance between the rights of the individual and the needs of the collective.<br /><br />As far as gays themselves, the bible is fairly clear that it's wrong and a sin, but, there's lots of things we all do, usually knowing we're not supposed to, which fit that bill. Hence that's largely between the individual and God, and is mostly none of my business.O Bloody Hellnoreply@blogger.com